{"id":30758,"date":"2023-03-31T16:45:17","date_gmt":"2023-03-31T21:45:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/planview1s.wpengine.com\/?page_id=30758"},"modified":"2025-09-17T12:49:19","modified_gmt":"2025-09-17T17:49:19","slug":"mik-plus-one","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.planview.com\/lp\/mik-plus-one\/","title":{"rendered":"Mik + One Podcast (Jump page)"},"content":{"rendered":"<section class=\"generic \">\n  <section class=\"mikplusone-hero-section\">\n  <div class=\"container\">\n    <div class=\"inner\">\n      <h1 class=\"l1-heading\">Mik + one podcast<\/h1>\n      <p>Nothing is off the record as Mik sits down with industry leading guests and delves into how they deliver value and drive digital transformations in their organizations.<\/p>\n    <\/div>\n  <\/div>\n<\/section>\n<section class=\"mikplusone-promotion-section\">\n  <div class=\"container\">\n    <div class=\"img-container\">\n      <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/media.planview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/mik_kersten_bw.png\" alt=\"Mik Kersten headshot\">\n      <div class=\"bio-detail\">\n        <p><strong>Dr. Mik Kersten<\/strong><\/p>\n        <p>Chief Technology Officer, Planview, Inc.<\/p>\n        <a href=\"#\" class=\"bio-btn-modal\">Bio<\/a>\n      <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    <div class=\"content-container\">\n      <h2 class=\"l2-heading\">Empower your organization to thrive in the age of digital disruption<\/h2>\n      <hr class=\"stubby\" aria-hidden=\"true\">\n      <p>Mik + One captures conversations with software delivery leaders and shares their journeys of introducing transformative ideas for delivering software at scale.<\/p>\n      <iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Mik + One: Promo\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=keb9v-10d76bf-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=f6f6f6&#038;font-color=auto&#038;btn-skin=1b1b1b\"><\/iframe>\n    <\/div>\n  <\/div>\n  <div class=\"modal-content\">\n    <div class=\"bio-image\">\n      <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/media.planview.com\/flowframework\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/mik_kersten_bw.png\" alt=\"Mik Kersten\">\n      <p><strong>Dr. Mik Kersten<\/strong><\/p>\n      <p>Chief Technology Officer<\/p>\n      <p>Planview<\/p>\n    <\/div>\n    <div class=\"bio-content\">\n      <p>Dr. Mik Kersten is the chief technology officer at Planview, joining the company in 2022 through the acquisition of Tasktop, where he was CEO. Mik founded Tasktop and is the best-selling author of \u201cProject To Product: How to Survive and Thrive in the Age of Digital Disruption with the Flow Framework\u00ae\u201c. Mik\u2019s experiences working with some of the largest digital transformations in the world has led him to identify the critical gap between business leaders and technologists, resulting in his creation of the Flow Framework\u00ae to connect strategy to delivery. He started his career as a Research Scientist at Xerox PARC where he built the first aspect-oriented development environment. He then pioneered the integration of development environments with Agile and DevOps tools while working on his Computer Science PhD at the University of British Columbia. Founding Tasktop out of that research, Mik has written over one million lines of open-source code that are still in use today and has brought seven successful open-source and commercial products to market.<\/p>\n    <\/div>\n  <\/div>\n<\/section>\n<section class=\"mikplusone-recent-episode-section\">\n  <div class=\"container\">\n    <h2 class=\"l2-heading\">Most recent episode<\/h2>\n    <div class=\"recent-episode-container\">\n        <div class=\"recent-episode-content\">\n          <h4 class=\"l4-heading\">EPISODE 62 | 7\/01\/25<\/h4>\n          <h3 class=\"l2-heading\">Gene Kim<\/h3>\n          <p>In this episode, Mik Kersten is joined by Gene Kim\u2014author of The Phoenix Project and The Unicorn Project\u2014for a deep dive into Vibe Coding, his upcoming book co-authored with Steve Yegge. Plus, they draw parallels between AI and past industrial revolutions, touch on real-world stories from Booking.com, Adidas, and the UK government, and preview Mik\u2019s forthcoming book, Output to Outcome, a playbook for organizations navigating the shift from outputs to measurable, scalable results in the age of AI.<\/p>\n        <\/div>\n        <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/media.planview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Gene_Kim.png\" alt=\"Gene Kim\">\n        <iframe title=\"Episode 62: Gene Kimon the Evolution of Product Operating Models in the World of AI\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=6fxj3-18f3abf-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=1b1b1b&#038;font-color=ffffff&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=c73a3a\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe> \n    <\/div>\n    <div class=\"recent-episode-container\">\n        <div class=\"recent-episode-content\">\n          <h4 class=\"l4-heading\">EPISODE 61 | 1\/07\/25<\/h4>\n          <h3 class=\"l2-heading\">Patrick Debois<\/h3>\n          <p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Patrick Debois. Often referred to as the Godfather of DevOps, Patrick shares his insights on the evolving landscape of DevOps and its intersection with generative AI. He discusses how the principles of DevOps are being applied to the rapidly changing world of AI, emphasizing the importance of testing, automation, and team structures in this new era. Patrick reflects on the lessons learned from past technology transformations and how they can inform current practices in integrating AI into business processes. <\/p>\n        <\/div>\n        <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/media.planview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Patrick-Dubois.jpg\" alt=\"Patrick Debois\">\n        <iframe title=\"Episode 61: Patrick Debois, The \u201cGodfather of DevOps,\u201d on AI, Automation, and Innovation\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=srwu3-17783b4-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=1b1b1b&#038;font-color=ffffff&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=c73a3a\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\n    <\/div>\n    <div class=\"recent-episode-container\">\n        <div class=\"recent-episode-content\">\n          <h4 class=\"l4-heading\">EPISODE 60 | 10\/15\/24<\/h4>\n          <h3 class=\"l2-heading\">Robin Yeman &#038; Dr. Suzette Johnson<\/h3>\n          <p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One are industry luminaries Dr. Suzette Johnson and Robin Yeman. Suzette and Robin explore the integration of lean, agile, and digital methodologies into the increasingly complex realm of cyber-physical systems.<\/p>\n        <\/div>\n        <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/media.planview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/RobinYeman_SuzetteJohnson.png\" alt=\"Robin Yeman and Dr. Suzette Johnson\">\n        <iframe title=\"Episode 60: Robin Yeman and Dr. Suzette Johnson on Implementing Lean, Agile, and DevOps Principles\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=drz26-16e357c-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=1b1b1b&#038;font-color=ffffff&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=c73a3a\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\n    <\/div>\n    <div class=\"recent-episode-container\">\n        <div class=\"recent-episode-content\">\n          <h4 class=\"l4-heading\">EPISODE 59 | 09\/15\/24<\/h4>\n          <h3 class=\"l2-heading\">Martin Harrysson &#038; Megha Sinha<\/h3>\n          <p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One are Martin Harrysson &#038; Megha Sinha from McKinsey &#038; Company. With a focus on their research which quantified the benefits of shifting from project to product models, Martin and Megha share insights on how these transformations can significantly enhance profitability and efficiency.<\/p>\n        <\/div>\n        <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/media.planview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/meghaSinha_MartinHarryson.png\" alt=\"Martin Harrysson and Megha Sinha\">\n        <iframe title=\"Episode 59: McKinsey + Company\u2019s Martin Harrysson &#038; Megha Sinha\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=ad7yq-16ccc15-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=1b1b1b&#038;font-color=ffffff&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=c73a3a\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\n    <\/div>\n    <div class=\"recent-episode-container\">\n        <div class=\"recent-episode-content\">\n          <h4 class=\"l4-heading\">EPISODE 58 | 08\/06\/24<\/h4>\n          <h3 class=\"l2-heading\">Steve Mayner<\/h3>\n          <p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Dr. Steve Mayner, a revered expert and coach in digital leadership, organizational change strategy, continuous learning culture, agile contracts, and SAFe practices within government contexts.<\/p>\n        <\/div>\n        <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/media.planview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/steve_mayner.png\" alt=\"Steve Mayner\">\n        <iframe title=\"Episode 58: Steve Mayner on Implementing Pragmatic AI in the Enterprise\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=ncu4g-1678725-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=1b1b1b&#038;font-color=ffffff&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=c73a3a\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\n    <\/div>\n    <div class=\"recent-episode-container\">\n        <div class=\"recent-episode-content\">\n          <h4 class=\"l4-heading\">EPISODE 57 | 07\/02\/24<\/h4>\n          <h3 class=\"l2-heading\">Gene Kim<\/h3>\n          <p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is technology luminary Gene Kim. Gene Kim is an esteemed author and technology thought leader with over two decades of experience studying high-performing technology organizations.<\/p>\n        <\/div>\n        <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/media.planview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Gene_Kim.png\" alt=\"Gene Kim\">\n        <iframe title=\"Episode 57: Gene Kim on &quot;Wiring the Winning Organization,&quot; Unlocking High-Performance Organizations\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=qf8w6-165136b-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=1b1b1b&#038;font-color=ffffff&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=c73a3a\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\n    <\/div>\n    <div class=\"recent-episode-container\">\n        <div class=\"recent-episode-content\">\n          <h4 class=\"l4-heading\">EPISODE 56 | 12\/14\/23<\/h4>\n          <h3 class=\"l2-heading\">Scott Densmore<\/h3>\n          <p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Scott Densmore, VP of Engineering at GitHub, to discuss the future of connected work and the impact of GitHub Copilot on developer productivity.<\/p>\n        <\/div>\n        <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/media.planview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/Scott_Densmore.png\" alt=\"Scott Densmore\">\n        <iframe title=\"Episode 56: GitHub Copilot\u2019s Scott Densmore on Copilot Revolution, Coding at the Speed of Thought\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" 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